Conditioning VS Repitition

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Conditioning VS Repitition
Topic Started: Nov 4 2009, 12:20 AM (297 Views)
davidgreaves	Nov 4 2009, 12:20 AM Post #1
BADGER Posts: 115 Group: Members Member #6,402 Joined: August 28, 2009	hi, just thought i'd put this up. through my trainng i've found a even split between two types of conditioning. 1. strength trainning which itself would have two distinctions. a) body weight exercise: this is more of a general fitness thing that has a lean towards parkour, including things like squats, pull ups, press ups, sit ups all exercises using the bodies own weight (hence the name). many people have suggested this has less risk than weights and is more inline with the natural idea of parkour. b)weights, such as you find in the gym etc. i have never tried this and personally dont see the need as with parkour i only ever lift myself (or possibly another person i,e the reach and escape idea) so dont see this as directly involved. 2. repitition of movement the second catagory i discovered through blane's blog (http://www.blane-parkour.blogspot.com/) which involves a physical training directly bases around parkour/movement. drills such as repeating a catpass (kong) precision 300 times without fail (example from blane's blog). I have found this to be a direct way of improving a certain movement or developing body areas e.g. climb ups for upper body, as well as ability to move your self over walls higher than head height. i would say this is my prefered method of conditioning as i it just seems to fit with my view on parkour. other examples include precision drills, muscle up repitition etc. 3. (ha a secret catagory) slightly different and not part of the above distinction which seem to be opposites. Exercises such as swimming, running (sprints and long distance) which i feel i dont pay enough time on so am trying to do more. i think this is very imoprtant for stamina as when applying to life one precision wont be the end of a chase. i know this is a load of woffle but i thought id share anyway. so sorry for the huge, long post. please hit back with your own oppinions etc. peace d.



Sonny	Nov 4 2009, 09:29 AM Post #2
I like pancakes yo Posts: 700 Group: Members Member #4,021 Joined: February 20, 2008	Though I do more body weight at home, I'm near enough forced to use the weights at college as its a part of my course, one of the biggest aspects in both my weight training is that of explosive conditioning. I find that this Targets the main muscles used in say precisions, THOUGH, I Find repetition is the most important factor When doing something here and there I find I do it more then once, Sometimes 20-30 times sometimes more I've found that with some things Eg. muscle ups climb ups have only inproved because I did a few every day and still do, and I feel the ache of constantly using those specific muscles eventually in that one movement after but at the same time, it works on technique I also do a lot of cardio. Running cycling etc I need to start swimming so in a way I favour repetition as it both works on your strength and technique Though at the same time general conditioning is too a key factor! But as David pointed out chance's are if we ever use parkour we'll only be lifting our body weight plus maybe a small Bag But there's my views never the less Edited by Sonny, Nov 4 2009, 09:31 AM.
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Tim Norburn	Nov 4 2009, 06:30 PM Post #3
Tim Noballs Posts: 1,090 Group: Administrator Member #680 Joined: June 27, 2007	ah this lovely nut shell. well strength training has a vast depth and it all depends on what you want to train. first I'll define strength. * Maximum strength - the greatest force that is possible in a single maximum contraction * Elastic strength - the ability to overcome a resistance with a fast contraction * Strength endurance - the ability to express force many times over all of which are useful in parkour and can be trained in different ways. 1. body weight exercises can be broken into a couple of different methods. firstly training is based around duration and intensity. if it has a low intensity and therefore a potentially long duration then it will train strength endurance. body weight exercises can be used to train most types of strength, endurance as i described earlier. Elastic strength can be train via plyometrics, bounding etc, this trains legs. press ups etc can be used for arms. as for explosive strength it can be trained, by doing certain exercises with as much power as possible, however this is an inefficient way of training. weights if used with care are the most versatile training method. for example you can put weights in your bag when doing climb ups, this would make them easier when not carrying weights etc. Repetitions are very good, however also potentially very dangerous, for example if technique is bad, injuries are likely, blane is odd as he has a high level of strength and good technique, i wouldn't recommend such a high number as 300 to a novice, however a lower number would do them good. swimming, cycling and sprinting are brilliant, i can't stress enough the benefits of anything that isn't parkour, all these sort of activities are great for fitness, losing weight, building endurance, power and similar. swimming cycling running are all supplement to parkour, and so are weights and other conditioning as the build your strength, however what if you want to help your mind progress? food helps that, mental challenges help that, you would have to avoid boredom, so therefore to me, everything can supplement your parkour, and or life, therefore everything is conditioning, so why focus on one thing, when everything helps, you just have to work out what will benefit you the most at that time, but remember to be ready for anything yet expect nothing. Tim



Reece Chapman	Nov 4 2009, 07:01 PM Post #4
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davidgreaves	Nov 4 2009, 09:43 PM Post #5
BADGER Posts: 115 Group: Members Member #6,402 Joined: August 28, 2009	tim, your last paragraph was awsome! i agree much. i like the inclusion of mental contitioning (return of the rubics cube??) d



Pete	Nov 5 2009, 03:39 PM Post #6
DA HANDSTAND MAN Posts: 90 Group: Members Member #6,240 Joined: August 17, 2008	well said tim



Phil Kirk	Nov 6 2009, 01:53 AM Post #7
Herts Parkour Photographer. Posts: 58 Group: Members Member #6,250 Joined: September 20, 2008	Just some more thoughts on the subject: Bodyweight exercises, be they press-ups or climb-up or whatever, tend to use multiple muscle groups. Although this is mainly a good thing as you train more than one group at the same time, it can mean that you rely on your stronger muscle groups to the detriment of the weaker ones, or that the weaker ones give in before the stronger groups come close to their limit. Weight training has the advantage that you can isolate each muscle group and train it to the level you want. This takes a bit of self analysis to find your physical weaknesses and set about working on them. If it is strength you are after and you train intelligently then weights are the most versatile training method but they ONLY TRAIN STRENGTH! With weight training because you are isolating muscles you have a greater danger of making yourself more imbalanced by forgetting to train supporting muscles, risking injury. Look at the meatheads that are in the gym every night after work. They have all that strength but no way of applying it in a real world environment. By drilling actions like climb-ups you are not only working you muscles but building engrams (sometimes known as muscle memory): widening neural pathways and developing the nerves to control those muscles so that the next time you perform the action it will be easier and more efficient. You simply do not get this from weight training. Self analysis it the key to effective training. Look at your parkour, is it your strength that is really holding you back or is it poor technique or a mental block? As a general rule it is only the more advanced practitioners that would benefit from a weight training regime. It is easy to look at somebody better than ourselves and think that they can do what we cannot because they are stronger but it is rarely the overriding factor with activities as complex as Parkour (unlike power lifting for example). Quote: as for explosive strength it can be trained, by doing certain exercises with as much power as possible, however this is an inefficient way of training. My understanding on how to train explosive power most effectively is slow reps of near maximum weight combined with high speed (explosive) reps of a low weight.
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Tim Norburn	Nov 6 2009, 09:28 AM Post #8
Tim Noballs Posts: 1,090 Group: Administrator Member #680 Joined: June 27, 2007	very good post phil agree with all of it. Quote: Quote: as for explosive strength it can be trained, by doing certain exercises with as much power as possible, however this is an inefficient way of training. My understanding on how to train explosive power most effectively is slow reps of near maximum weight combined with high speed (explosive) reps of a low weight. that i agree with and was what i was trying to get across, however my mind was very busy with ideas at that moment in time, i was tripping over each idea and getting confused. thanks for a brilliant contribution.



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