Danny-Choose not to fall.

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Danny-Choose not to fall.
Topic Started: Nov 29 2009, 09:33 AM (257 Views)
Tim Norburn	Nov 29 2009, 09:33 AM Post #1
Tim Noballs Posts: 1,090 Group: Administrator Member #680 Joined: June 27, 2007	click this



Bloobirds	Nov 29 2009, 10:53 AM Post #2
Enigma, Secretly Yellow Posts: 1,337 Group: Herts Parkour Online Team Member #65 Joined: June 23, 2006	Love this
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gyenming	Nov 29 2009, 01:14 PM Post #3
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jammy dodger	Nov 29 2009, 01:19 PM Post #4
bullet not water proof Posts: 282 Group: Members Member #6,263 Joined: October 24, 2008	another one of dannies very amazing inspurational videos.
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jimmy	Nov 29 2009, 03:31 PM Post #5
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Reece Chapman	Nov 29 2009, 06:59 PM Post #6
www.reecepaulchapman.com Posts: 930 Group: Administrator Member #93 Joined: November 11, 2006	TegHead (Teige aka RageFrooblin etc.) 's view: I have a lot of problems with what Danny says. Creativity etc have been stripped away from us? By who, how, when? Speak for yourself; become a sociologist; or don't use words like "through history", don't refer to a national process. I think free will does not exist. Having said that, of course we make choices, but not everything comes down to our choice, especially when ability is concerned. Just because you're talented, dosn't mean success is a choice for everyone. There's been psychology studies into the attitudes of religious people, concluding that they do not cope well with unpredictability (think of the uncertainty of death, ok let's invent a place called heaven), so that strikes me as a reason Danny would want to believe things are a choice. I would like to see Parkour free of religious ideas. Hopefully people will take away a motivation to concentrate and train harder, but they could become delusional and get injured thanks to your advice haha. Discuss? Edited by Reece Chapman, Nov 29 2009, 07:01 PM.
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CKPK	Nov 29 2009, 07:49 PM Post #7
Callum Trilby Posts: 739 Group: Members Member #2,323 Joined: November 24, 2007	I'd like to say that, due to the variance of people, some may find Danny's "don't overthink, react" idea to be the safest for them, whereas others may find deeply considering movements first the best way to practice. I guess the problem I find with this, and honestly, many things, is that he only tries to represent one view, rather than taking into account the many possible viewpoints about a topic like this. Parkour training, while superficially similar, can vary very deeply from person to person. For instance, telling someone to learn rail precisions by simply treating them like any other precision may work for some; who find it fairly easy and pick it up rapidly. Others might be putting themselves more in danger this way, and need to spend a long time of gradual practice developing a similar comfort simply due to combinations of slight physical and mental differences, and this is only a fairly simple example. I don't think you can really simplify the huge variance you get between people into one absolute view, you can only offer generalised ideas or a variety of viewpoints about this kind of thing. tl;dr you can't make one absolute idea due to the large variety of people, you can only generalise or offer multiple views Of course, this post in itself is making an absolute view, so who knows EDIT: Actually, just noticed a comment just posted below the video, pretty much says the same, also says that it's put together to be structured well and sound good. I'd also like to say that alot of it is simply him offering his own opinion rather than claiming it to be parkour in general, but he still makes some comments i disagree with holy crap wall of text much Edited by CKPK, Nov 29 2009, 07:56 PM.



Tim Norburn	Nov 29 2009, 08:10 PM Post #8
Tim Noballs Posts: 1,090 Group: Administrator Member #680 Joined: June 27, 2007	leading on from teg's post i believe we have lost freedom, free will. lost our creativity. you see it in many things, parkour is just one way to express freedom, and creativity, others sports and music and art are other outlets for this, i however do not enjoy doing the other forms of creativity. I love every other type of sport, but it doesn't hold the same connections with me. His comments on religion I totally don't understand, however i feel he generalises religious people in a way that if we as youths were generalised we would take offence. Not all religious people are closed from the world, fear death or plan to much. many I feel live life, in this moment, and help others. Danny is one of these people, as am I. One thing I like for me, put can see flaws in, is the "if you are afraid of falling you fall because you are afraid." I believe this is true for me, and also for other people, Have a think. x



CKPK	Nov 29 2009, 08:24 PM Post #9
Callum Trilby Posts: 739 Group: Members Member #2,323 Joined: November 24, 2007	Tim Norburn Nov 29 2009, 08:10 PM Have a think. This is something else I want to say on the matter. No one but you can truly judge how you react to something, how useful you find it etc. Others can always give you an outside view that you yourself can't really have, but they can never truly know exactly how you feel. I think you need to always judge for yourself about what people tell you.



Tim Norburn	Nov 29 2009, 08:59 PM Post #10
Tim Noballs Posts: 1,090 Group: Administrator Member #680 Joined: June 27, 2007	Quote: This is something else I want to say on the matter. No one but you can truly judge how you react to something, how useful you find it etc. Others can always give you an outside view that you yourself can't really have, but they can never truly know exactly how you feel. I think you need to always judge for yourself about what people tell you. +1



Osh	Nov 29 2009, 09:11 PM Post #11
The Back Alley Bandit Posts: 1,535 Group: Members Member #45 Joined: April 22, 2006	So, I'll start at the beginning - 'It's nothing and it's everything.' I really like this idea, because it shows that something to primal and simple, in that it is elementally just you and your body, can amount to such a spiritual lifestyle. The idea that us just developing ourselves, with or without the need of religion, can change so many peoples lives when really it's what we were born to do. This leads onto Danny's point on creativity being fed into our lives slowly. He's right, because if we were born to move, because that is indeed what our bodies were designed to do, then the idea that we aren't all adapting to our environment and moving accordingly is going against literally human nature, which I find quite morbid. Like drinking another animals milk as an adult, which we also do. Aren't humans disgusting I really like the idea of not knowing whats going to happen next, it's great to be in the dark about things, which is indeed 'the adventure', despite parkour meaning you can adapt to most things, which is what we train for. What is 'NOW', you cannot define what a miniscule amount of time the present is. By the time you've said 'NOW' you are far past that moment. i'm not sure if this matters, but surely if we cannot humanly define 'NOW, then we cannot truely have control over it. But I feel I need to explore this further. Danny almost makes this fesiable by saying that he has not calculated every movement, suggesting he does things almost without choice. Suggesting, yes you guessed it, no free will. Now, let's not get into the free will arguement because it is a long and tedius one. But i'd like to say one thing that really inspired me in this video, to instead be training so much for the future, be training for now. And be thankful you have another day, because, as someone who tries there best to follow most of the budhist ideas, although i do not fear death. I'd still like to give life a good try. peaaas Edited by Osh, Nov 29 2009, 10:14 PM.
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Sonny	Nov 29 2009, 10:45 PM Post #12
I like pancakes yo Posts: 699 Group: Members Member #4,021 Joined: February 20, 2008	CKPK Nov 29 2009, 08:24 PM Tim Norburn Nov 29 2009, 08:10 PM Have a think. This is something else I want to say on the matter. No one but you can truly judge how you react to something, how useful you find it etc. Others can always give you an outside view that you yourself can't really have, but they can never truly know exactly how you feel. I think you need to always judge for yourself about what people tell you. I'm agreed with this plenty full
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Bloobirds	Nov 30 2009, 09:58 AM Post #13
Enigma, Secretly Yellow Posts: 1,337 Group: Herts Parkour Online Team Member #65 Joined: June 23, 2006	I think that when people criticise religion, and they find 'flaws' in it, it is not because there are actual flaws, it is because they do not understand the things that they find flaws in. Obviously some of the ideas of religion can seem ridiculous to someone who hasn't experienced it and doesn't follow it, but to say that religion shouldn't be a part of parkour is ridiculous. Someone's religion is a part of their life and if, as many people say, parkour IS someone's life, then religion is going to be a part of that. This, i do not see as a bad thing in any way. Everyone trains for their own reasons, everyone has their own motives, some want mainly physical progression, some mental, some have religious reasons, some to help others, some practise freerunning to be able to show off and make money, some just do it for the fun. What ever someone's motive is, no one has the right to dismiss it as bad, just because they don't agree with it. This is one reason why parkour is great, it can have so many applications, so many benefits, that it can attract a large number of people for a number of different reasons, yet ultimately they are all covered under the large blanket that is movement and should all respect eachother's motives. As for thinking in the moment and not planning ahead. I don't think Danny is saying don't plan and don't assess things. I simply think he is saying that he concentrates fully on what it is he is doing at that moment so he does not fail in it, rather than focusing on the upcoming part of the movement. I see no danger in this. I can guarantee that he still looks at a path before taking said path and analyse whether he can move down that route or not. He wouldn't, for example, see a possible set of strides and go for it, just concentrating on each one as it comes and deciding there and then if he could make it or not. I think that what he is saying is not that he doesn't look ahead to see if he is safe travled a path, but rather he doesn't plan what he's going to do at each stage of his movement, he reacts as he sees best when he gets to it. To be honest, no one should be listening to one person and agreeing with every single thing they say, no one should be training exactly like one person, doing exactly as they do. Parkour is so individual; everyone has different physiques, some are taller, some are heavier, some are stronger, etc.. Also everyone has a different mindset, some are naturally more confident, some are more wary, some are more spontaneous, etc.. Everyone should gain inspiration from what many people say, take what is relevant to them and respect that which is not.
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zz!	Nov 30 2009, 10:38 AM Post #14
Rob "zz" Starr Posts: 608 Group: Members Member #1,027 Joined: August 24, 2007	Quote: To be honest, no one should be listening to one person and agreeing with every single thing they say I disagree. Everyone should listen to Bloo. Well said David, much agreed.



Liam Ellis	Dec 2 2009, 07:09 AM Post #15
Climb up guy Posts: 230 Group: Members Member #6,407 Joined: September 14, 2009	Reece Chapman Nov 29 2009, 06:59 PM TegHead (Teige aka RageFrooblin etc.) 's view: I have a lot of problems with what Danny says. Creativity etc have been stripped away from us? By who, how, when? Speak for yourself; become a sociologist; or don't use words like "through history", don't refer to a national process. I think that what danny mean by this is that when the average person see's a wall or a rail, we all have been (Subconsciously) programmed to walk round, even though it may add about 30secs on to the walk they are taking, logically it makes no sense however we still do it.
	Do your best and nothing less. Train hard and don't forget what your doing. keep your mind focused and your disctraction thoughts tame. don't over do anything but never do less than you can. enjoy yourself but gain enjoyment from progression.


Osh	Dec 2 2009, 08:02 AM Post #16
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Liam Ellis	Dec 2 2009, 08:24 AM Post #17
Climb up guy Posts: 230 Group: Members Member #6,407 Joined: September 14, 2009	HAHAHA, yh gd for us eh
	Do your best and nothing less. Train hard and don't forget what your doing. keep your mind focused and your disctraction thoughts tame. don't over do anything but never do less than you can. enjoy yourself but gain enjoyment from progression.


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